Information about the Big N

[McHash]

Well as wabs said the gcn isn't most popular at the moment. Its because of sony's and mircosoft advertising. If you really took note and did some research than you would realise that the gcn is doing much better in Japan and America the 2 biggest consumers of video games.

Plus both Mircosoft and Sony are losing heaps in consoles on advertising and making their consoles hard to produce. It costs 2 times more to produce on the PS2 and X-BOX then on the cube. The cube stated by many devolpers has been a dream to work with and its main processer dubbed the 'flipper' takes care of many program issues that programers would have trouble on.

Another reason is becuase of ppl like yourself using modding chips, it is leaving a hole in sony and Mircosofts. They are still in the race only becasue they get profits from other ventures. I'm sure you all would know what those are :).

The cube is nearly impossible to pirate because of how small the mini disk are. Nintendo have had piracy issues before on the NES.
(they took blockbuster to court and won) That is why when the cd revloution came Nintendo knew that it would be impossible for cds not gettin pirated, having prior knowledge about cd since they were planning to make a 32 bit console with sony until sony left to make the PS1.
That is why the cube is gettin cheaper, Nintendo are making profits and are even looking towards a new console. To replace the mighty cube. While other are losing Nintendo with the vast knowledge accel in these times and the winner will be consumers. Playing the best games for the cheapest price possible. That gets my nod any day, pity not everyone can see that.

/rants :p

[recon]

Originally posted by McHash
Well as wabs said the gcn isn't most popular at the moment. Its because of sony's and mircosoft advertising. If you really took note and did some research than you would realise that the gcn is doing much better in Japan and America the 2 biggest consumers of video games.



Yes I thought they were doing ok in Japan and America, thnakyou wabs.

[Iguana]

yay hashy, be even better if you had links to sales reports to truely smack down the clueless amongst us *cough* wabs *cough* but i've read similar stuff to what you just said so meh.

re the 32bit addon, i thought that the playstation was gonna be for the SNES, under that name and everything, then sony saw the potential in the console market and broke away making their own console.

remember that the biggest downfall of the saturn was that it had 2 cpus in it, which was a massive headache for programming teams. but it seemed like a good idea to sega who wanted to get the console out the door as fast as possible to compete with the psx. A console which is easy to work with is a must to lure 3rd party developers.

i r still so sad bout rare being bought out by microsoft :( I want killer instinct 3 and a donkey kong country on gamecube :(

[wabs]

http://www.idg.net/idgns/2001/12/19/SonySaysPS2SalesBeatingXbox.shtml
http://www.gamersmark.com/news/2003/01/1/2135/
http://www.gamepower.com.au/?aid=1191 (good link)
America
1.PS2
2.XBOX
3.Gamecube
Europe
1.PS2
2.XBOX
3.GC
Japan
1.PS2
2.GC
3.XBOX (yes the xbox is doing **** in japan)
Aussie
1.PS2
2.XBOX(close :P)
3.GC

SO, there you have it proof
As of 2003 according to the last link(article) we have OFFICIAL standings
if you want more proof youre more than welcome to search for articles yourself to prove me wrong. can we end this debate now ???

EDIT: I DO BELIEVE AN "I TODL YOU SO" IS IN ORDER :p

[wabs]

Originally posted by Iguana
yay hashy, be even better if you had links to sales reports to truely smack down the clueless amongst us *cough* wabs *cough* but i've read similar stuff to what you just said so meh.


DITTO, read my post above

[Jimbo]

Sony were developing a CD add-on to the SNES (hence the 32bit graphics), similar to what Sega did with the Mega Drive. Nintendo backed out of the deal with Sony, who were then left with what became the PSX. Sony did not leave them, they left Sony - just had to clear that up :)

Oh, and i've attached the US sales figures from March 17 - 23rd. Thought some might find them interesting.

[wabs]

Originally posted by Jimbo
Sony were developing a CD add-on to the SNES (hence the 32bit graphics), similar to what Sega did with the Mega Drive. Nintendo backed out of the deal with Sony, who were then left with what became the PSX. Sony did not leave them, they left Sony - just had to clear that up :)

Oh, and i've attached the US sales figures from March 17 - 23rd. Thought some might find them interesting.

and where did you aqquire this chart ?

if its from magic box/ identical then thats the japanese one dude, we already know that
http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten.htm

[McHash]

Originally posted by Jimbo
Sony were developing a CD add-on to the SNES (hence the 32bit graphics), similar to what Sega did with the Mega Drive. Nintendo backed out of the deal with Sony, who were then left with what became the PSX. Sony did not leave them, they left Sony - just had to clear that up :)

Oh, and i've attached the US sales figures from March 17 - 23rd. Thought some might find them interesting. well it looks like that Playstation is doing better then gcn but the gcn is trashing the X-Box. :p
Plus the Gameboy advance and gameboy sp are doing very well as well :). But still with handheld items to consider as well. Nintendo are coming 1st and are coming 2nd in consoles well in Japan at least. Biggest market in the world. Besides the US.

oh Jimbo I'm pretty sure that sony pulled out, but if nintendo did I assume its because of piracy issues.
Thats why Nintendo are still making a profit. Where the other 2 don't. I don't have a clue about the percentage but I reckon %10 of those games (Ps2 +X-Box are priated) hense more money lost for the company.

[VerT]

Originally posted by Iguana
i r still so sad bout rare being bought out by microsoft :( I want killer instinct 3 and a donkey kong country on gamecube :(

Hmmm they had huge potential for the GC but I have to admit Starfox adventures was pretty darn overrated.

[McHash]

Originally posted by VerT
Hmmm they had huge potential for the GC but I have to admit Starfox adventures was pretty darn overrated. uh huh. But Donkey kong should be made by nintendo because they own them. But they don't own dixie, diddy and thier pals. Just teh Donkey. :)

[wabs]

Lets just say this for arguments sake
ADD all the rating up from 4 major market europe/us/japan/Aus then we can assume that the MAJOR console sellers are:
1.PS2 by a long shot
2.xbox (closely followed by.....)
3.Gamecube

Ok we all have our opinions about whats the best console etc etc, seems youre all GC fans and are ganging up on me :( but according to NDP's report (costs US $1500 to buy a few pages of an xcel spreadsheet, so it must be half decent) these are the standings ok ??

agreed ??

[Pip-Boy]

going by your rekoning that the console that sells the most units is the best, the gameboy wins outright.

so lets all go buy gameboys and play pokemon, case closed.

[darkjedi]

iggy & co - is it me - or doesn't wabs get it?

[wabs]

Originally posted by Pip-Boy
going by your rekoning that the console that sells the most units is the best, the gameboy wins outright.

so lets all go buy gameboys and play pokemon, case closed.

sorry my bad
"next generation" consoles
gamecube xbox and ps2
and if i thought that why do i own an xbox?? shouldnt i theoretically own a ps2 ?? O_o weird eh, freaky x-files ****

[Pip-Boy]

he doesnt get it

by my rekoning, iggy made the best point when he mentioned that the top two pre-order games EVER are zelda - wind waker, and Metroid prime.

The people that know what they are talking about when it comes to consoles go nintendo. The people with little kids who watch tv, buy playstation. The people who think they have a clue, buy xbox.

[wabs]

Originally posted by BiP_darkjedi
iggy & co - is it me - or doesn't wabs get it?
youve said nothing but
noted but ignored, you havent contributed to the discussion so your noted and ignored, as i've said everyone is entitled to their opinion, i think xbox is better i gave my arguments, others gave arguments, youve done nothing but... well nothing, so whats to get jedi ??

[wabs]

Originally posted by Pip-Boy
he doesnt get it

by my rekoning, iggy made the best point when he mentioned that the top two pre-order games EVER are zelda - wind waker, and Metroid prime.

The people that know what they are talking about when it comes to consoles go nintendo. The people with little kids who watch tv, buy playstation. The people who think they have a clue, buy xbox.

now theres a flawed argument, why?? because the only people in this discussion are me=xbox rest=gamecube == minority
but your opinion is duely noted

[wabs]

this will be my last post on this topic (thankgod they say)

I STILL THINK XBOX IS THE BEST!!!!


now you may all bag the crap out of me and have the safe knowledge that i wont reply :)

[Pip-Boy]

Originally posted by wabs
now theres a flawed argument, why?? because the only people in this discussion are me=xbox rest=gamecube == minority
but your opinion is duely noted

reason for this: the people that are involved in this discussion are a: people who know, or c: people who think they know.

[McHash]

Originally posted by Pip-Boy
reason for this: the people that are involved in this discussion are a: people who know, or c: people who think they know. c = wabs ;)

[Iguana]

vert:

starfox on gcn wasn't originally designed to be a star fox game. It was a different title all together, but then after it was completed, or when it was nearing completion, for some reason some bright spark decided it would be better as a starfox game so they added the characters, edited the storyline and voila, thats the gamecube version of starfox we have to enjoy. kinda weird huh :\ thats what i thought when i first read it.

wabs we aren't doubting your choice of console, just your incentive behind your claims and the sales figures you were quoting without evidence, which you have since provided :) you'll also find that dj sold his cube for an xbox at the time, so its not like he is anti xbox. Neither am i, as franky's bro owns one and it has some good games, but not enough to make me wanna purchase it. and lol @ dj :p

[wabs]

Originally posted by Iguana
vert:

starfox on gcn wasn't originally designed to be a star fox game. It was a different title all together, but then after it was completed, or when it was nearing completion, for some reason some bright spark decided it would be better as a starfox game so they added the characters, edited the storyline and voila, thats the gamecube version of starfox we have to enjoy. kinda weird huh :\ thats what i thought when i first read it.

wabs we aren't doubting your choice of console, just your incentive behind your claims and the sales figures you were quoting without evidence, which you have since provided :)

i lied, but i lub you iggy :P least you sort of understand my warped thinking =\

[McHash]

Originally posted by Iguana
vert:

starfox on gcn wasn't originally designed to be a star fox game. It was a different title all together, but then after it was completed, or when it was nearing completion, for some reason some bright spark decided it would be better as a starfox game so they added the characters, edited the storyline and voila, thats the gamecube version of starfox we have to enjoy. kinda weird huh :\ thats what i thought when i first read it.

Dinosaur Planet :)

[darkjedi]

hmm?

oh - I own everything except a Gamecube (which I traded in because I didn't want to wait till now for metroid & zelda)...

Imo? the dreamcast kicks all said consoles asses...but thats me :)

It's funny - I've got several games for my x-box (well, 3 or 4...Halo being the most played)...no games for my ps2 (hello - an almost-new ps2 for $150? you'd be mad not to snap it up) and 50+ dreamcast games....

I find I play the DC more than anything I've got....why? because most of the games on there are infinitely more enjoyable to play that most of the tripe on xbox/ps2....that, and I've gone away from my consoles a little of late anyhow, mainly because they a) don't have Mech4: mercs b) don't have stepmania ;P c) aren't near the puter d) g/f's normally watching stuff on tv, so I can't really boot her off :P

All things said and done - in my twisted little mind? There is no "Best console" to get....The idea is to get the console that suits you & the sort of games you want to play...if you bother to look @ every other dc/xbox/ps2/gcn arguement we've had on this forum for the last couple of years, that's always been mine & a few of the others bottom line - you get it because it has games you want to play, not because it does 103943984848 million megapixel fillrate with 383888883 zillion colours, or because it has dvd playback or even if it has the funkiest controller....

[VerT]

Originally posted by Iguana
vert:

starfox on gcn wasn't originally designed to be a star fox game. It was a different title all together, but then after it was completed, or when it was nearing completion, for some reason some bright spark decided it would be better as a starfox game so they added the characters, edited the storyline and voila, thats the gamecube version of starfox we have to enjoy. kinda weird huh :\ thats what i thought when i first read it.

wabs we aren't doubting your choice of console, just your incentive behind your claims and the sales figures you were quoting without evidence, which you have since provided :) you'll also find that dj sold his cube for an xbox at the time, so its not like he is anti xbox. Neither am i, as franky's bro owns one and it has some good games, but not enough to make me wanna purchase it. and lol @ dj :p

Yep Dinosaur planet.
Dont get me wrong, the game is good but It ended so quickly, too easy and no appeal for me to play through it again. Just i read a few reviews that raved about it thats why im saying it was overrated to some extent :)

[Nightwatchman]

Originally posted by Iguana
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i r still so sad bout rare being bought out by microsoft :( I want killer instinct 3 and a donkey kong country on gamecube :(

microsoft offered initendo so much money that they couldn't refuse the sale.
after all last year, rare only did 2% of nintendo's total game sales so it wasn't a big loss.

the money microsoft paid nintendo will probably be used to develop something else which would be more beneficial to nintendo then rare's 2% of sales.

and remember, if rare continues to do sorta badly in sales, nintendo can always buy rare back at a cheaper price :D

[Pip-Boy]

but nighty, we dont get donkey kong by rare...

their style will be unreproducable, and their style is what made dk so cool on snes

[Nightwatchman]

i always thought donkey kong was owned by nintendo.

i wouldn't think nintendo would let rare use their character on the xbox.

[Iguana]

but rare produced all the dkc on snes and diddy kong racing and dk64 or whatever it was on n64. I doubt they own rights to the character but rather were permitted by nintendo to use it.

Its just a shame coz the rare guys were really really talented and produced games the same quality as nintendo's first party titles.

[VerT]

Originally posted by Iguana
but rare produced all the dkc on snes and diddy kong racing and dk64 or whatever it was on n64. I doubt they own rights to the character but rather were permitted by nintendo to use it.

Its just a shame coz the rare guys were really really talented and produced games the same quality as nintendo's first party titles.

Im sure Miamoto (nfi about sp? :p) Can pull something very lovely out of his butt for donkey kong :D

[McHash]

Originally posted by VerT
Im sure Miamoto (nfi about sp? :p) Can pull something very lovely out of his butt for donkey kong :D I'm sure he will, but he'll try not to stray from the rare formula too much.